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And some political figures who are going to make them out to be the bad guy right off the bat, from day one. >> we should support good p cops and agree with you, most cops are good cops. but you should not be sitting here and defending badded cops. >> nobody's doing that. >> grand juries always give cops discretion and leeway, that's not the issue. >> this is the narrative that's been polluting part of the environment since the grand jury in ferguson. now grand juries are the bad guys. we have got to stop with the small ball. >> let's play big ball. >> i don't think i can criticize the cardina...

Members aren't realizing they absolutely must step forward and make a point to unify right now and bring people together. bill de blasio has been outrageous and now police don't feel supported so these police have to go out there and risk their lives and they feel that their mayor doesn't have their back and that's a huge problem in many communities. i'm sure the police feel that if they step us if someone pulls a gun on them and they have to defend themselves they're going to have to answer to the media and some political figures who are going to make them out to be the bad guy right off the ...

And some political figures who are going to make them out to be the bad guy right off the bat, from day one. >> we should support good p cops and agree with you, most cops are good cops. but you should not be sitting here and defending badded cops. >> nobody's doing that. >> grand juries always give cops discretion and leeway, that's not the issue. >> this is the narrative that's been polluting part of the environment since the grand jury in ferguson. now grand juries are the bad guys. we have got to stop with the small ball. >> let's play big ball. >> i don't think i can criticize the cardina...

Fel felon. he should be back in jail. these are the guys that are saying it. kelly, he has no reason to say it. and the worst one, the guy that i admire the most, rudy giuliani said essentially is tame thing. >> no, he didn't, giuliani said it's wrong to say that there's blood on the hands of the mayor. but the fact of the matter is there's no blood on anybody's hands here, the blood, if there is any blood, you want to say that is, that they did a bad arrest and the guy got killed. that's what led to the protests. >> so you're linking that to the death of the two p cops? >> if it hadn't been f...

As federal top cops or republican attorney generals on the beat i'm sad to say they are busy. federalism used to be a bipartisan issue and something that republicans and democrats on the state level always agreed on but appears that this president and his party have told their governor yous and ags off the beat and they look more like lap dogs now than top cops. >> shannon: and there are lawsuits across the board on any number of issues. some things we talked about many times in regulation nation the epa for one. >> the epa has taken a what we believe is a limited congressional authority in a ...