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That didn't go anywhere. and he was a lead surrogate for donald trump during his campaign. he was expected to get a top position, that didn't happen. now he is getting to control the narrative, but for now. >> is he doing legal damage for rudy giuliani? >> yeah, i think he is. he is making so many contradictory statements that he is really making it all about himself. >> right. >> this is very much -- >> the scaramucci problem. >> it's very much like when he was u.s. attorney. he was the only u.s. attorney to hire three press people to do nothing but flak him to the press. when i was there, we...

Than hurricane relief, don't agree on much. >> and i would also like to point out jared and ivanka specifically pushed for flynn to have this top position. yet another -- >> over the objections. >> mark said something very important here that we can't lose sight of which is, it's not clear that flynn did anything wrong except lie to the fbi about the meetings. you can say to yourself, lie to the fbi about the meetings. why would he do it unless he was covering something up but even -- god only knows what that was. it's not clear how we get trump gets elected, flynn has five calls from sergey k...

Nutjob and was relieved from the investigation. he stepped into a fire storm where russia is radioactive and he may not bring much more comfort to u.s. officials. he is seen as a hard liner, less chummy than kislyak. he held a top position in putin's defense ministry and was reportedly a key figure in russia's 2014 invasion of ukraine. he was sanctioned by the e.u. for that but not by the u.s. >> if relations are going to be bad, it turns out he probably is well suited to a kind of period of chilly interactions. >> reporter: now, the state department did not respond when we asked why antonov h...

He's told that to friends and now said it publicly in the last few days. >> was he offered the job though? >> he was in serious consideration. >> trump has a way of talking to you and making you feel like he's saying something that he really isn't. that's part of it. maybe keane was reading into donald's attempts and often successful ones to flatter which he's capable of doing. >> top of the hour. you're watching "morning joe" on this monday, november 21st. we're speaking with "the new york times" jeremy peters. managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin. former chairman of the natio...

Not going to help you understand. and it's going -- it's divisive and paralyzes the discussion. >> what is your sense, just sort of getting a view on the inside there a little bit, obviously, donald trump appointing him to this top position, being willing to absorb all the blowback that comes with that from the media, what's your sense of how that relationship works, the bannon/trump relationship? >> i think steve bannon is donald trump's brain. i mean, i think it's a very, very important fundamental, close relationship, and i think it's a relationship that will be at the center of the next st...