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If this is what they wanted does that legitamize his unconventional leadership style regardless how outside the norms it is. >> that's a great question. yes in one way not in another. to my mind the concern is not unconventional leadership, communicating through twitter, breaking norms around state dinners and all that stuff. to me what matters most and what the american people did not vote for and would not vote for is a derogation of the norms, the touch stone of truth, the the rule of law. freedom of religion, freedom of expression. and one of the things i hope to do is get folks not to foc...

For and would not vote for is a derogation of the norms, the touch stone of truth, the freedom of religion, freedom of expression. and one of the things i hope to do is get folks not to focus on the policy fights. again as i said earlier i don't care the policy views. but instead to first talk about the values. because a whole lot of people who supported donald trump come from families with inspiring military service histories. and so the question i have is what do those folks fight and die for? did they fight and die for a tax cut or an immigration approach or something? no. they fought and d...

Concentrated in the old classic orange county plus conservative rock red reagan california and those guys are still down there and they are still fly flying the flag. they are kind of like japanese soldiers in the war. >> bret: no thought that the president is going to win california. or that they are going to win seats in california. >> no. but any time the president can talk about immigration is a good day for him politically. it's just his go-to issue. it's important, it energizes his base around the country. it sends the message he wants to send. >> helps with fundraising from very wealthy...

His church, the papacy remains faith and unity. >> being pope today is totally different than being pope in the early days of the church. but peter is always kept in mind by every person that sits on peter's thrown. >> the reason the papacy is violent is because of the understanding there are some things that never change the need to be that rock, that touch stone. >> francis understands what the papacy is. but at the same time, he's made it his own. we have generations of young people who are not going to automatically join the church just because their parents did. francis wants to bring a n...

Massy that our president brings with him. >> is that something that -- >> absolutely. kim is trying to do two things and we need to understand this because we want to leverage it. he is trying to improve the quality of life within north korean standards but also made the nuclear program a touch stone for his rule of the people. all about the march to this nuclear reach that they have and so what this is going to appear to be to the north korean people is that they have arrived at their destination and that has caused the american president to make a pilgrimage to talk with their powerful leade...