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White woman 20 miles outside of ferguson four days ago, leave her lying there for passers by, they classify as a race crime. how do you react to that? >> i classify that as unfair because men do that black women all the time. >> my principles prevent me from watching the fox news. >> so how can you comment on fox news if you don't watch it? >> because i hear what fox is reporting by reporters. >> you just said it. am i a token? >> most likely, yes. >> crime happens in communities where there's similarities, white folks kill white folks, black folks kill black folks, i think when we look at som...

Slurs throughout the attack. two teens under arrest charged with gang assault. joining us legal panel in california. former prosecutor jim hammer and here in washington defense lawyer ted williams. i always hate to give you the first question on a story like this. it's like the elephant in the room so tell me your thoughts. >> well, you know, i think it's a tragedy that people cannot be more civilized towards people under the circumstances here. you have got a situation where you have got these young people that use racial epitaphs, they beat this guy up. it could very well be considered a rac...

Interest in trayvon martin, whether you believe it is race or not. the amount of it was so large that it begs for a balance. that's where the race thing comes in, the big story to me is always going to be how political correctness affects the incidents of crime, when you cannot describe a suspect for fear of racism in a newspaper arm or a flyer. you can't report on a crime, you might be seen as racist, so the trayvon martin case, because it is white hispanic on black, that will get coverage. these other things won't. i believe the chris lane thing, cnn is calling it a thrill killing, not a rac...

Welcome to both of you. ben ferguson, let me start with you. what is the issue here? is it because two of the three alleged killers here were black, therefore it must be a race crime? >> we found from some of these tweets which was that he said he didn't like white people and he was planning on going out and killing people and that would be what many would say is a hate crime. if we have hate crime legislation then it should be used appropriately when someone goes out to kill someone of another race based on their race and at least for one of these young men, there was a motivation there throu...

It is a game of poker, who is going to be the next victim? there will be one next week. >> but maybe in a way, if there is a positive element to this, with trayvon martin has forced the media to account for all different notions of race crime and hate crimes because they put so much into the trayvon martin and the george zimmerman trial that they look back and go okay. now, we have got to look at these other things, so maybe this has turned into the conversations that holder always wanted but he didn't expect it to happen this way. >> but dana, the white house, josh -- said he had no idea what...