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After-school program or food pantry. today, you can help your cousin fill out her college financial aid forms so that she can be sitting in those chairs one day. >> that was first lady michelle obama speaking last weekend at the tuskegee university commencement. last weekend, we were talking on this show about then-senator obama's race speech in philadelphia and we were kind of saying, is it time to do that again? i'm wondering if first lady obama was giving the speech that we wanted while we were talking about it. because, man she does something different with the cousin than -- that ain't ca...

African-american rates that are twice that of white americans. >> they have always been that. >> it's a trap to ask obama to talk about race. whenever we talk about race and we want to talk honestly about it, you're going to get into the divisiveness reaction in the public. black people want obama to talk about race so they can say something to the people basic live punishing them. you remember the 2008 race speech. there was a lot of backlash after that speech. >> sure. >> obama talked about how his ailing grandmother -- >> clutched her purse. >> she was fearful. they said obama, through his ...

Much talk about president obama and why he didn't go to baltimore. why didn't he launch his initiative in baltimore, right? there's been talk on the other side of the aisle that president obama is inflaming racial tensions. other people say he's not doing enough. in your mind give us some perspective here from your point of view. >> number one, when you're president of the united states there's no way that you can win. so no matter where you put your attention or focus, there will be somebody that says that you are not doing what you need to be doing. the fact that we are blaming president oba...

Congressional black caucus, another symbolic protest in favor of what's happening in ferguson. michael brown and his family and the protests, we saw the gestures, we saw it by the st. louis rams during the football game. this is america, you have free speech rights, you have rights. whether you disagree or agree. this is a symbolic gesture, you wrote about the substance of what the president has been trying to do. you made the point he's trying to strike the right balance. >> yeah, that's right. i don't think you know any expectations for instance that he go to ferguson, give a big race speech...

One thing in the president's favor is he does nuance better than perhaps any other leader we've had. i think he's almost at his best when he's being nuanced. i think people disagree. the first time addressed the drone program and didn't offer a definitive answer but said these are moral questions, and i have erred here. i thought that was a great moment on a thorny issue. >> he's intellectual enough and not knee jerk, when pushed into a situation where he has to give his opinion -- you think about his race speech, probably one of the best speeches he ever gave. something complicated, nuanced a...