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A possibility it could backfire and strengthen them because that's what putin always wanted. he always wanted all those russians to come back. ideally bring the resources, but even if they cannot do that, they physically bring them home. clive, you have been in ukraine and spent some time there during this war. is there much confidence, much faith among ukrainians you met that sanctions are going to deliver the goods for them? no, they're not thinking about sanctions at all. if they do, they might think it's nice the west is doing something but what they want is boots on the ground. they want ...

No, they're not thinking about sanctions at all. if they do, they might think it's nice the west is doing something but what they want is boots on the ground. they want to have a no—fly zone. they want potentially when it comes to sanctions a trade blockade for instance. that might be something that would prick up the ears of the average ukrainian but ultimately what they want is force to be applied. i agree with stephanie the sanctions take a long time to bed in. and the suggestion is that it some point, the gdp could fall, i saw anything from 12% with some estimates at 30%. 35%, absolutely...