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Flynn can tell them about the other players in this ongoing legal drama about russia. >> brian, just generally, if you do flip, does it work if you tell on people who work for you, your assistant or who do you have to tell on? >> generally the rule of thumb from anyone that has seen the godfather trilogy, you have to trade up, frankie five angels didn't give them anybody below him. he gave them michael. so in this situation it's critical for mike flynn to be able to advance the story beyond that which bob mueller already knows and that ought to be the scary part for everybody who works in the ...

Some of these seem more serious than others. like conspiracy against the united states. but we -- you have seen people go to jail for avoiding taxes for much lower -- smaller amounts. >> absolutely. paul manafort's big decision is what he's going to please guilty to. here's the thing. mueller knows his charge is collusion and obstruction of justice. and if this is all there is, even though it's a big deal because we're talking about the president's campaign adviser, i think we'll look at the investigation as not living up to its promise. so again, i think he's only going to bring charges again...

And of course, we know that the fisa court wouldn't just rely on the dossier or the trip, so there must be more out there. and these investigations will get at that. >> all right, sam stein. >> sure. >> when jeremy talks about these investigations, let's start with the house. we heard from schiff talking in a very hopeful tone about what might half. devin nunes has been placed aside mike conaway from texas in. is that enough of a trade-up to make the ranking members sound optimistic? >> apparently. apparently what happened a couple weeks ago was this whole weird saga of devin nunes going to th...

We've been trying to figure out exactly what's happened over the past seven days and what it means. what does it mean to you? >> as we near the end of the first 100 days, which in its totality cannot be judged as successful by any measure, but they are ending better than they began. and they're ending better than they began because inside the white house serious adults are beginning to assert their -- >> can we talk about the trade-ups here? national security council, can you think of a more dramatic trade-up from michael flynn to swr general mcmaster in all of your years covering politics? >>...