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Fdic would make up to $800 billion in deposits. imagine that. the notion is this -- this is my solution. i've said if you don't want citigroup to trade and take risk on the trading side, don't ensure their deposits. tell them you take risks we won't ensure the deposit. when the government moves out and stops ensuring deposits and stops guaranteeing, the banks will size up. they will recalibrate to where they think the free market will allow them. the other stuff is more of the same, too big to fail. >> neil: you're in the new york stock exchange and aware of what is going on outside the new yo...

Dangerous for them to do or outsized relative to their capital. but otherwise, if it's not a dangerous activity, within the comp tans of the institution and providing another revenue source, then it's an attractive activity. >> now, a lot of the people look at your rise and say this is symptom attic. you're a trader, they say you come out of the trading side, not the advisory side. is it fair to say your rise represents the rise of the trading business? >> i think this firm has always gone back and forth. by the time you get to a medium level at goldman sachs -- all of these innings are interc...

Symptomatic of the changes taken place at the firm. you're a trader. they say you come out of the trading side of the business, not the advisory side. is it fair to say that your rise represents the rise of the trading business? >> i think this firm has always gone back and forth. by the time you get to a medium level at goldman sachs, you 'em bed in you the principles of the banking side and the sales and trading side. you can't avoid it in this firm because all of these things are interconnected, as i described before. so, for example, this is the firm of hank paulson, who is a banker but al...

Jenna: well, they say the lawsuit is short on facts and, again, there's no criminal charges against them at this time. they say they were victims with this scream along with everybody else. they worked on the trading side of the business, so they weren't involved in the investment side, so they're the ones claiming they knew nothing, in fact, they were the ones that turned their father over to authorities. the grounds they have to stand on are the facts of whether or not we know what facts the trustee has against them, and remember, their father admitted guilt and said that they were not invol...