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Flynn was the sort of traffic cop of who helped on what. and so was not doing anything particularly for the campaign. and then when the transition came, i started doing a great deal of press. but i was expressing my own view. i wasn't representing the trump campaign. and so -- >> did you ever -- did you ever give your concerns to the trump people? >> what i did was they kept carrying me on some television show as a senior advisor to the trump transition group. and i really wasn't. i didn't want to fly under a false flag, so i had them remove that designation. but it wasn't i was switching side...

>> the fact that the russians are doing that, you know from your own experience, is that a surprise really though? that is what you would expect of foreign government to be trying to do. >> absolutely. and to that point, i've often said that when it comes to russian espionage and human collection, they recruit spies. we do the same thing. and ite's almost like being a traffic cop. you don't get promoted for writing less tickets. they look at this process. and when it comes to u.s. persons, when it comes to meeting with manafort or roger stone, were those people actually tasked. and that would ...

Team given what happened was so troubling to you? >> first of all, these things have nothing to do with one another as far as i know. only thing i was doing with the trump group is i had chosen to offer advice to the trump campaign rather than hillary's campaign and was available but i wasn't being used particularly because general flynn was the -- sort of traffic cop of who helped on what. and so i was not doing anything particularly for the campaign, and then when the transition came, i started doing a great deal of press but expressing my own view, i wasn't representing the trump campaign. ...

Ready on day one. so i know everyone is reading every tea leaf with extreme intensity. but i actually think it's time for taking a step back, for taking a deep breath. let's see the totality of the team. and then we have to remember the team is advisers. there is only one president, one commander in chief, and he gives direction more than he receives it. >> and look, the state and defense are sort of the flashy titles, but as we went through this yesterday, the national security adviser will tell us more than either state or defense. is that fair to say? >> i think it is. national security adv...

Dealing with an impeachment. hopefully that's in the past and things like that -- but this is, your reflection just on this moment from a democratic president to a republican president, to a republican president for whom this town and the world has so many questions. because he doesn't fit so many boxes. he doesn't fit the republican box on taxes and spending. you're playing traffic cop. let's share your thoughts. >> it really is amazing, because you think about it, very few people during the republican primary process thought he was going to win the republican presidential nomination. he did....