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Apparently told about the lane closures while they were happening but doesn't remember it. your reaction. >> what i'm most interested in is how they deal with it in this report. because the way i've read this thing is everything that is in this report maybe we will find out when the u.s. attorney weighs in on this, when the legislative committee weighs in on this. many will find out that everything in here is true. but the way the report is written it editorializes. it uses loaded language. it's with its language constantly giving the benefit of the doubt to christie. you're talking about the ...

Thought because of the tremendous fear that's created here. >> what do you say to those who are calling this a political witch hunt? >> the committee that's been formed is bipartisan committee first of all. we first thought this was a traffic issue. it goes to the governor's office. we have redevelopment that's supposed to occur in hoboken and ft. lee. that's a billion dollar project in ft. lee. we have mayors when they did not do as they were requested to do, their constituents were punished. and the third is the port authority, who is involved in both of these.

>> carl, to your point, it is interest when you read that bridget kelly e-mail to wildstein saying -- it's almost in short hand code where she's saying oh, we need a traffic issue, and he's like, got it. as they knew instantly. >> they all seem to understand the language of intimidation they're speaking. this has been said, but can't be said often enough. there was a climate among the people that worked for them that these two had a secret language and understood what was permissible and not. i can't believe that this would happen if they had a sense that the chris christie they knew would be ...

When you read the transcripts, what you see is a kind of thuggery around the people who are somewhat close to governor christie, that is very disappointing. >> it is interesting -- >> he's been a terrific governor in many, many respects, and i think there are plenty of people rooting that he's not going to be tainted anymore by this. >> carl, to your point, it is interest when you read that bridget kelly e-mail to wilstein saying -- it's almost in short hand code where she's saying oh, we need a traffic issue, and he's like, got it. as they knew instantly. >> they all seem to understand the la...

Just don't go out and open themselves up completely. plus i know chris really well. he's a good friend. and in the last couple of weeks he wouldn't have acted the way he acted if he knew. even if he had some knowledge, an inkling of it, his remarks would have been different kinds of remarks. >> he was belittling reporters who brought it up. >> no way if you knew about it. >> attacking them for even suggesting. >> having run a very complicated administration, sometimes it's impossible for people to believe it but you really don't know. i know when a mayor says i didn't know people find it hard ...