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For infrastructure banks to take on the bigger picture. what about even with amtrak? you look at ridership, up 55% the last several years. yet in the house, the subcommittee not an overall vote, but they cut it just about 20% even though ridership's up 55%. do you think they'll reverse course? >> i hope so. and you know, i hope that this will be a lesson learned and drive home the message that more needs to be done. there's been an opposition to amtrak in the republican party for a while. let's put that aside and say, as you've said, the public is using, the public depends on it. we have to ha...

-- >> i was there. >> you were there. we passed a bill in 2008 that required that the system have positive train control which is the advanced technology which would have prevented what happened in amtrak by december 2015. california already has it. where the accident was. we have to do it throughout. there are some in congress who said, well, give it five more years to be put in place. we did not do that. and it is not just all public dollars. it's public/private partnership. >> yeah. when you look at the spot the frankford junction in philadelphia, where we lost the eight lives, over 200 inj...

Government this time says amtrak service may not be rea in-stated until automatic train control is put this place. so guess what they did? they put it in over the weekend. so not only is it inexpensive, it is easy to install. and every time they do it after there is blood on the tracks. every time. it would be nice if they actually maybe looked at all the different curves where train speed would affect a derailment and put automatic train control in before people die. that would prevent people dying. >> and here is the thing. a tragedy like this happens. and you needily have people coming out ...

Throttles and the then the train continued to accelerate that's one possibility, in my mind. the other possibility is just that it was an unplanned act. it was something that was overlooked simply forgot he was going into a turn. and the third possibility is some kind of inka passitation by the engineer. he was having memory loss. did that happen before or after the accident? >> we're also learning that the engineer had been traveling the route for just a few weeks. do you think that could have played a part in this derailment? >> l it's not like you get your driver's license and you can go ou...

Part that got him into the predicament he is in. >> he has proven his point. the quote you just read, he has demonstrate how'd relevant that technology really is. so his point has been proven. whether he intended to prove it himself or not, i couldn't tell you. but it may be that he is just the opposite. i'm not disagreeing with jim. but there is another angle, and that he is less confident. he is insecure with his skill set and his training. because he is relatively new -- >> you pump your chest and promote yourself. >> he is the type of person that wishes he had positive train control to bac...