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Ariana grande had only -- the concert just finished. she did her encore. she went off strangers and then bang. big explosion. suddenly a lot of smoke and a lot of terrified young people. >> i'll ask you one last question. have there bee more recent concerns, more concerns recently than usual of uptick of concern in the northwest of england in recent weeks and months? >> another ambulance has just arrived. no, not really, not specifically in manchester. i'm sure you're in america you're aware of the westminster

Qaeda and isis. no claims of responsibility here. police are treating this as a terrorist incident. the working hypothesis is it was a suicide bomber. no claims of responsibility yet, but lots of celebrating as you said online and the chat rooms where that would happen. appreciate you being here. i want to bring in now to the coverings law enforcement expert jim cavanaugh who has among his many years of experience in law enforcement a lot of time working with explosives and working with extremist at the atf. thanks for being with us tonight. appreciate it. >>ness that, rachel. >> what are the ...

The crowd. you can hear it from the tone of the young women from the girls who are shouting here. you see people jumping to try to essentially get around the cue of people. you get the sense of panic in that room. mindful of the prospect that we've got a death toll of 19 tonight. we do not know if those 19 deaths were caused all of them by the explosion. it is possible. and looking at some of this tape, it seems very possible that some of the deaths and injuries may have been caused by the panic and the rush of people to get out of this venue. we don't yet know that either way. but obviously a...