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Are legally, in the contracts they have with these train operators, he has got a legal responsibility for industrial relations and a responsibility to set their mandate, ie what they can say, what they can offer and what they can negotiate on at that table. the transport secretary, mark harper is here. can you clear up whose job it is to fix this? can you clear up whose 'ob it is to fix this? ., ., ., , ., fix this? the negotiations are absolutely — fix this? the negotiations are absolutely between - fix this? the negotiations are absolutely between the - fix this? the negotiations are absol...

Fair share. ~ ., , , ., fair share. we have plenty of time to net fair share. we have plenty of time to get into — fair share. we have plenty of time to get into that _ fair share. we have plenty of time to get into that later _ fair share. we have plenty of time to get into that later in _ fair share. we have plenty of time to get into that later in the - to get into that later in the programme. hannah, to introduce you to the audience. hannah fry, your official title is professor in the mathematics of cities. when it comes to transport, does that play into that study? it does. i don't that...

Negotiations to reach a conclusion so that we can modernise the rail system and we can have reform of the way the workforce operates and we can have a train network that is properly fit for the 21st—century. it's a bit more than that, though, isn't it, secretary of state? i mean, you do have a responsibility for holding the purse strings and for setting the parameters for the negotiations, the mandate that frances o'grady was just talking about? well, look. clearly there's a lot of taxpayers' money that goes into the rail network. but, look, this dispute is actually a little bit different fr...

That happens. the fact is, britain needs an effective train - that happens. the fact is, britainj needs an effective train network. evenif needs an effective train network. even if it has changed a bit, as you say, there are fewer commuters and more people using it in leisure time because, essentially, with the car costs having gone up so much, rail fares are often a good bargain, but we need an effective rail system whatever. , ., _ ., ., whatever. they need to pay for that. but some peeple _ whatever. they need to pay for that. but some people might _ whatever. they need to pay for that. but...

There was almost a deal between the rmt and the train companies backed by the government, but suddenly it was withdrawn. so we have had that situation for three transport secretaries, several months where really, the government is just not getting engaged and sorting this out. it might be that they'll put an offer in that is not acceptable to the unions, but so far the unions have not had an offer. but the argument from the government is at the pandemic has changed the way we work and travel, and people are not commuting in the same way. there are fewer people buying tickets and travelling on ...