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Of vacant jobs are there in the capitol police? >> i would say it would probably be that number. i think that's what they're down. i think they're authorized with 1,800 or so. and in the area right now, either 16 or 1,500. i'm not exactly sure of the numbers, that they have. but they are down significantly of officers. and they need to be able to bring at least folks on that can augment that. because even if you hire somebody today, you're talking over a year before you get them on post, by the time they get with federal law enforcement training center, and even old sheltonham, by the time you...

Extreme risk to these individuals. debris is falling on them as they do their work. we have structural engineers on-site to assure that they will not be injured, but they, they are proceeding because they are so motivated and they are taking extraordinary risk on the scene every day. >> she's going to repeat that in spanish. [ speaking foreign language ]

[ inaudible question ] >> it's not necessarily tapping. it's just sounds. and what i reference to sounds, it could be various things. it could be steel twisting. it could be debris raining down, but not specifically sounds of tapping or sounds of a human voice. >> are there a lot of -- channel 4. >> yes, chief, if you can, can you talk a little more about the sounds that maybe your crews are listening for and are they hearing -- as well, do you still believe there are people trapped alive? >> as the mayor said, we have hope. every time we hear a sound, we concentrate in that area. so we send a...

Below and above at this time. >> can you please talk about the tactics that your teams are using? you mentioned going above -- >> so, throughout the night, no different than from when we began operations. so, as the heavy machinery comes in, we will begin removing some of the debris above, some of the light debris. as we place those devices to look for voids, we start looking for additional victims. we are looking for -- we are listening for sound. it's not specifically human sounds. it could be tapping. it could be steel, you know, kind of twisting. it could be some of the debris kind of rain...

>> how are you going about collecting information, kevin? are you getting information from officials? >> it's really not -- and i don't mean or think it's their fault. it's an evolving scene as you can see behind us. today we were a little shocked of the amount of fires that are breaking out in the debris and the smoke and the water. that's not a good sign. so, but we're dealing day by day. we're now finding more and more people and i hope and pray she's found soon and everything is good. but it's not a promising sight if you've been here. >> i'm sorry. and i don't, i don't mean to talk about ...