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Scene all failed to protect those kids? >> well, i think that's right. it was a failure to identify register or engage or respond and there was failure at every level of government. and clearly there were some training issues at the local level with respect to active shooting. we need to -- we need to bone up on that but we also have to secure our schools and get serious about that. and accept the reality that this is a fallen world and accept the reality that no matter how many laws we have in place somebody hell bent on murder and destruction they will stop at nothing. certainly not respect ...

The school, the deputies on the scene, all failed to protect those kids? >> i think that's right. it was a failure to identify, register, and engage or respond, and there was failure at every level of government, and clearly, there were some training issues at the local level with respect to active shooting. we need to bone up on that. we also have to secure our schools and get serious about that. except the reality that this is a fallen world and accept the reality that no matter how many laws we have in place, if somebody is hell bent on murder and destruction, they will stop at nothing, cer...

Congress lobbied against it. back in 2012, they were investigated for providing opportunities for es pepionagee. amtrak workers said they did not feel adequately prepared for the training. several cars flew off an overpass on i-5. enough train personnel were concerned about rushed training. >> sources say some practice runs took place at night with six people in a car with three seats. that meant some trainees had to ride facing backwards. three people died and more than 100 died in the accident. ntsb is aware of the training issues. amtrak will learn from the accident and improve. a detro...

What we want unfold before our eyes looked terrible but the question comes down to was it justified within the law. and he is armed with a gun and they determined that this was, you know, a justifiable shooting. i mean, you look at it. there are some training issues that need to be addressed here. i think the doj has an opportunity to help fix some of the problems we see in law enforcement with use of force and i hope that they do. we can't look at some of these incidents and say could have been preventable. that's what i'm an advocate for. i think we need better training for our officers and ...

Family, harris family is alleging bates wasn't trained on the gun he fired, but he doesn't say the gun went off mistakenly. he said he thought he was bringing the taser out. >> i don't think the difference between the caliber of the gun is going to make any difference at all. and a lot of these training issues might well not even get into the trial. if it comes down to a second-degree manslaughter, it's a question of whether there was a degree of negligence when he pulled out the wrong weapon making a fatal error. that's going to be the issue and i don't think we're going to hear a lot about t...