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In your every day live. then then they are shocked when something like this happens. >> dan, this did take planning. the guy clearly hit what he was shooting at to an extent. how much planning or training does an attack like this take? harry is accurate. there is always going to bea degree of planning. what keeps me up at night. and a lot of security professionals are the small arms tactical style soft target attacks. small arms meaning not talking rpgs here. talking about either a machine gun or automatic fire weapon or handguns. they don't require a lot of training john. think about the 9/11...

>> we are talking about today's tragedy in tennessee and what may have turned a young man into a mass killer. joining me guests with a unique perspective, former jihadist and counterterrorism operative. the task force taking the lead on this looking at this as an act of terrorism what exactly will they be looking for the next several hours? >> john they will be looking at whether he had a radical profile, whether he was in some way a supporter of isis or of al qaeda, whether he had a radical circle. whether in the past few months he made any overseas travel potentially to the middle east or so...

Exist. as long as they continue to hold territory. as long as they're seen by followers as being, the leaders of this this so-called new caliphate. they will continue to have a platform to call for the kind of attacks. people will respond because they will see it as their religious duty. i think this is unfortunately now becoming newt more mall. not only here in the united states but also in europe and france. just on monday they thwarted a terrorist attack against the military facility there, john. >> paul mobin, the details not yet known, the ties not yet complete. but investigations going o...

Hand of police or possible suicide. >> this is what cnn's justice department correspondent broke about an hour ago now. that chattanooga police shot and killed this suspect. we don't have the details exactly how that happened. but that is what evan is reporting. that this was not a suicide. this person was taken down by the police who were chasing him. >> finally, drew on way, we showed the video of him involved in an mma competition, a mixed martial arts. you got your hands on this video. what can you tell us about it? >> i can tell you it was given to us or pointed to us by his mixed martial...

He is the one in the camouflage pants. the one with hair right now. want to make dlerclear, an all american kid, the coach never would have suspected. >> that's right. a good student. a good wrestler in high school. and a good fighter. with this mixed martial arts training that he did. he was also apparently a good muslim practicing muslim who often at 6:00 at night at the gym, john would lay down his prayer rug in the coach's office and say his prayers. and then come out and continue training. as we have seen in so many cases, where and when it snapped. we don't know yet. at this time everybo...