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Security. how can we train the afghan forces to take over security if we cannot be this with them? >>guest: that is right. we can't. the fact of the matter is --. >>shepard: our goal? >>guest: we have accepted the broader picture of defeat when it comes to afghan mission. if that mission is defined as trying to turn afghanistan into a stable place where the current power can defeat the taliban. it will not happen. we are waiting for two years to pull identity and it is frankly a shame because a lost great people are dying in the meantime. >>shepard: and the secretary of defense is saying that ...

Doing that he's not doing? >> there's a -- >> what can he do? >> sure. look, obvious list this is a very complicated issue, no one disagrees with that. governor romney and others across the partisan divide, we've heard from complaints from republicans as well as democrats we have allies in the region from saudi arabia, turkey, other countries that want to do more, funding insurgents, training opposition, building channels of communication with opposition, getting necessary resources in arms and there's a reticence by the obama administration to truly get in there and build channels with opposi...

Insurgency operations that we're faced with right now involved activities of taliban trying to disrupt the government's capabilities. but terrorism in and of itself as you know is something that's a result of poor government, economic instability and those kinds of traits. >> of course, pakistan is a whole another theory because we can't get to them like we should. major gains inside afghanistan especially since the surge a year ago, two provinces are safe. it drives you crazy that nobody knows about the progress you guys are making. >> as you know, our marine soldiers, sailors do an incredibl...

The country and to basically tell karzai he is going to figure out how to survive. when you have an afghan soldier killing the people who are training them, afghan government backing the religious fanatics in which was a phony explosion. qurans had first been did he faced by muslims, prisoners to transmit communication. nobody spoke out against that. we are very dangerous slippery slope that has led to the worst parts. but i think we need to rethink our whole strategy for the middle east. why i have been advocating an independent energy policy. we need to go back to be the world's leading oil ...

Them, then we have to end up training them, and you can see the status of the rebel forces, just in that clip. >> absolutely. and there is growing concern that, indeed, the rebels are too disorganized and not armed well enough to go up against the better prepared forces that are supporting gadhafi. how they remedy that problem, though, is very, very complicated. as you said, andrea, one step leads to another. if you give them weapons, you have to train them on weapons. if you want to give them weapons, who are they? there are just many, many questions that are, you know, opening up that paora'...