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>> no. >> people from the state department who set up meetings? where do they go from tomorrow if that transcript doesn't -- >> i think they do -- they do all of the above and more. i think they're going to want to hear from rudy giuliani. they're going to hear from the whistleblower. they need to get more information about that. now we know that they're going to be allowed to do that. and i think david is right. nancy pelosi has to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. she wants to be able to say, look, we gave you 15 gun control measures that we gave over to the senate and it's stal...

Of the reasons she didn't do that is because that would have slowed the process down. i think pelosi wants to deal with this, but i think she also wants to deal with it with dispatch because she understands that if the house is mired in this for the next year, then her members are going to be subject to the attack that they are only focused on impeachment and not on doing things for the american people. and that is what you heard from republicans today in response to this action. >> so, gloria, do they try to get giuliani to testify? do they try to get people from the state department who set ...

>> yeah, absolutely. i mean, i've listened to dozens and dozens of recordings of organized crime and other people, and, you know, if you play a recording for a jury, i mean, every trial lawyer knows this, it just brings home what is happening in a way that a transcript doesn't. this shows you, you know, we've seen this again even with mueller's ten-minute press conference. hearing words, hearing someone speak as opposed to reading a report is so compelling. and this is why congress needs to get going as best they can on having witnesses, whether it be playing recordings like this. i think they...

Reading a flat transcript on a page doesn't deliver. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, i've listened to dozens and dozens of recordings of organized crime and other people, and, you know, if you play a recording for a jury, i mean, every trial lawyer knows this, it just brings home what is happening in a way that a transcript doesn't. this shows you, you know, we've seen this again even with mueller's ten-minute press conference. hearing words, hearing someone speak as opposed to reading a report is so compelling. and this is why congress needs to get going as best they can on having witnesses, whe...

>> you know your way around a recording as a former fed. most of them, of course, organized crime and not presidential politics, but there is that certain element that reading a flat transcript on a page doesn't deliver. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, i've listened to dozens and dozens of recordings of organized crime and other people, and, you know, if you play a recording for a jury, i mean, every trial lawyer knows this, it just brings home what is happening in a way that a transcript doesn't. this shows you, you know, we've seen this again even with mueller's ten-minute press conference. hea...