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Establishme establishment. so we've seen whether it's on trade or foreign policy or even immigration. he sometimes had to push against the members of his own administration to transferable. it's interesting to hear about president trump's instincts and i think that's a symbol of the lack of focus he's brought to this administration. we do think he has these instructs because of the stuff he says here and there, but he doesn't have the focus to share with others who agree with his views. instead we get this uncertainty, we get this all over the skpap. so you have people like bolton, people many...

>> you heard chris asking about policy and then that response. what do you think? >> i kind of can't believe that we're really debating busing here in 2019 when it -- in the 1970s and 1980s, you've seen people sort of self-segregate, and i even think the debate over thoseish transferable. busing at this point, the issues are more serious and more retractible than they were back thn t. i'm surprised we're not talking about the cheating gap or the self-seg regargtsz.