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The 25th floor with no lawyers. that's a quote from the book. director clapper, what is your take on how close to the president that this russia investigation is getting? >> well, it's getting pretty close. and just to key off something that mike just spoke about, the approach that bob mueller, director mueller is taking as special counsel in this, the thoroughness and the methodical way he's approaching this, and now, of course, you know, if you would think of it as a series of concentric circles ever closer to the president, who is closer to -- has been closer up until recently to the presid...

He has any of the temperament of the judgment to be president. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university. he's playing the members of the american public for suckers. he gets a free ride to the white house and all we get is a lousy hat. >> sandra: so i will ask you, will he support president trump's policies? >> we saw donald trump and mitt romney come together in the transition phase and i believe that continued to speak. i'm not a fan of mitt romney. if the things he said about the president were deeply offensive to me, but if the presi...

The policy team considered the views of stakeholders to develop major policy initiatives and determine executive orders and regulatory actions affect the policy priorities. those working on policy continue with planning during the implementation during the transition phase. do you think that's what flynn was doing? >> it sounds like it. these guidelines are from a think tank on presidential transitions. let me make one other point on this. the foreign governments themselves during this transition between obama and trump were beside themselves trying to find out what the trump administration's ...

Types of expenditures? >> well, i think that's -- it's basically mandatory that those expenditures be provided and i think this is -- this is kind of on the congress first to make sure the secret service is properly sized for the mission they now have, which is much larger, much more complex probably than any other president they have had to protect and i certainly think if any secret service agents are owed back pay or any of that sort of thing that needs to be accounted for. so i think it's really on the congress to ensure that there is sufficient funding for the secret service. i might ment...

They are saying this is a religious war. why don't we believe them? >> if it is true, we have all sorts of miseries ahead of us. i happen to think that we do. in the meantime, we are in this transition phase in europe. i just came from a public debate i was doing in westminster tonight. the people are still, although things are moving, they are still in that sphere, "what has our foreign policy done that might have caused this." if a guy comes from pakistan, as one of the attackers on saturday night did, i don't think much of our country's pakistani foreign policy could be blamed. people are a...