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Elimination. for example, we've eliminated polio from the united states. we've eliminated malaria from the united states. the next one down is eradication. i don't think we should be aspirational about eradication. i don't think that's going to occur. hopefully we may be able to eradicate it but given the transmissability of this particular virus, i don't think we'll see that in the reasonable future. control is where we want to be. we want to be at control at a low enough level of background infection in the community with a large proportion of individuals vaccinated and those who in fact wer...

Which is that you've got a tough job making judgment calls with a novel virus you're just getting data on, but a sense that the cdc has been behind and chasing the virus, has been late on it. in the case of delta, india identifies the strain last year. the uk's warning in may about how transmissable it is. there's cross-country data suggesting it's very transmissable. we don't get the guidance until months later. what do you say to those critics. >> let me tell you how this went in terms of the change of our guidance last week. we saw the first data on the potential for transmissability among ...

It is public notice that she as an eviction filed against her. and also you have to add on that we're talking about millions of individuals potentially being pushed out of their homes and able to find friends or family we're in the heart of a pandemic here going from a small living environment to one in which the transmissability rate will increase. >> just think about this. it is 49d%. there is state aide that is coming in the pipeline, but around the country there are millions of people that just like the family you had with us this morning, are going to face really difficult situations. >> ...

Ago. delta is more than three times more transmissible. and you write in a new opinion piece for the "washington post" about how previous pandemics have seen much deadlier variants in the years after the first waves. how worried are you about a variant evolving that can completely bypass existing vaccines? >> i am worried. i think all the five pandemics going back to 1889 that we know anything about in detail, you know, the virus enters the human population, it's a new virus, and it adapts to humans. initially it becomes better at transmissability, which has happened. and in past pandemics the...

>> let me finish. >> you take an animal virus and increase its transmissability to houston, you'r humans, you're says that's not gain of of function? >> that's correct. senator paul, you do not know what you're talking about, quite frankly. and i want to say that officially. you do not know what you are talking about. you get one person -- >> the nih -- >> can i answer -- >> this is your definition that you guys wrote. it says that scientific research that increases the transmillity -- transmissability among animals is gain of function. they took animal viruses that only occur in animals and t...