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Obama administration wasn't exactly eager to hand these logs over either. there was a transparency issue there as well. you write at the bottom of your column today, it is the way they are positioning it as if no transparency is better than full transparency. >> right. >> that is really problematic. >> right. that's like saying, well, i only went one for four. i got a single in the game. that's not as good as going 0 for 4. that doesn't really pass the smell test. you are right the obama administration was not the fountain of transparency. at the same time, the obama administration was the fir...

Taxes. the issues are real. not wanting to give out the white house guest log. that is a transparency issue. why does trump fight these measures? >> chris, you and i disagreed on a number of things on your show over the past several months. this is one point we agree on. i think transparency in government matters. i think president trump as i stated during the campaign should disclose tax records. the logs of who comes into the white house, that should be public knowledge. why should we be afraid to disclose that to the american people? i think it casts a cloud over what is going on at the whi...

One of them is he was demanding transparency for barack obama, that's number one. number two, things aren't really going that well in the trump white house, so there's a natural curiosity for people to know what's going on, you know, on the deck, what's happening behind the scenes that's made this operation not work so well right now. he's also flipped positions on so many things and his numbers have plummeted as a result. people don't -- the more people don't trust him now and you've dot to look at the transparency issue within the framework of that. >> i'm not sure he's coming down. >> i thi...

>> he said it was faush faux transparency. >> president obama released six million locks of visitors. to what extent do you think this compounds the transparency issue for the president. >> i think it does in a big way kirstens this is a real difficult wlaf whatever the explanation spicer officer if you are less transparent than a previous administration it looks like you're hiding something. i take hugh's points about taxes and isolation might not be a salient issue for millions of people. but whens it coupled or part in agory git in the sense of something is kept out of the public view at's ...

Won and defended the position that they needed to keep some of it secret unless there was a foia request -- >> what happened, to be fair, the court ordered -- they won in court but the obama administration then released most or many logs and redacted ones that they considered national security issues. the question is why can't the trump administration do the same? if it's a national security risk, those won't be public, but the rest, open book. >> my suspicion is, in time, they will get to something that's closer to the obama administration. but for right now, i frankly think they ought to kee...