be anywhere else, and in fact, it is probably less, according to a lot of industry studies. and so they think that with the summer season coming up, the airlines believe that now is probably the time it makes sense to get rid of these mandates, and really embrace, hopefully, a return to pre-covid levels of demand this spring and summer. a joining me now is ben goldstein. the north american transport editor aviation weak network and co-host of the window seat podcast. thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. talk to me. we re kind of watching this whole thing unfold, the news breaking, the announcements being made across the board on transportation. whatever transportation you happen to be on that day. were you surprised that the major airlines embraces change and ran with it? i was surprised in the way it happened, but i was not surprised to see the major