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With issues. >> i think we need to connect reproductive rights with justice. preventive health care, that's an economic issue for women and families. that's not just a women only issue. as you broaden it out and talk about how -- making sure i have access to birth control so that i can have control over my destiny, going to college and not getting pregnant when i don't want to, that's an economic issue for women and families. also, we need to do a better job as democrats to explain what trap laws are. they will be the defacto end of roe v. wade if they don't get on offense on that. in texas wi...

Preserved for them. >> crystal, here is a george w. bush judge looking at what this lu legislature did and saying that it cannot stand. >> yes. and the piece that you highlighted that it was an undue burden, that is the judicial standard and what this judge found is that with a third of abortion clinics in texas likely to close as a result of this law, and no medical reason to require abortion providers to have admitting privileges, it just couldn't stand. what they call these laws is trap laws. essentially what they are is they are not designed to do anything other than force the closure of a...

Have access. that's a good thing. also kind of getting rid of those trap laws which i know you're dealing with in ohio that actually, you know, impose all kinds of crazy regulations that basically have nothing to do with patient care and everything to do with trying to get the clinics to close down. how do you think this battle is going to shake out in ohio? >> well, i'm hoping that the courts will side on behalf of women. and jess is absolutely right. this is really about personal liberty and freedom. something that the gop proclaims that it cares about. except that liberty and freedom stops ...

These laws completely bypass the complex constitutional questions and the supreme court has grappled with in its roe decision, a bit of policymaking magic, completely undermining preefsey rights without engaging the court's privacy rights at all. laws that in practice would ban abortion after 20 weeks are dressed up to mask claims of fetal pain, laws passed under guys of standardized building codes to make abortion facilities safer. texas's version of the law, commonly known under the fitting acronym of trap laws, will likely reduce the state's 42 clinics down to five. and despite the efforts ...

Agreement, t.r.a.p. in ohio law. now the other clinic in toledo. the last remaining clinic in toledo is getting shut down, too, by the same law. you hear people talk about t.r.a.p. laws. this is the kind of t.r.a.p. they mean. require a clinic to have something, and then ban them by law from having it. and you shut it down because they don't have it. this is how republican legislators and governors are banning legal abortion in our country whenever they're in power, roe v. wade or no roe v. wade. prior to this summer, ohio had 13 abortion clinics. by the end of this summer, thanks to john kasi...