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And wood burns, but for last 100 years or 200 years or so, the country has set aside vast areas of the west and they have not -- and they've been untouched as kim suggested, they are too big for the federal government to manage even if they were going in and doing that sort of thing and as she suggested, if you allow logging companies to come in, private owners, they would be responsible for keeping the forests in healthy shape. they are not healthy. paul: quick question, how much does the state of california spend on tree cutting? >> very little relative to how much they are spending on the s...

Full of trees, trees are wood and wood burns, but for last 100 years or 200 years or so, the country has set aside vast areas of the west and they have not -- and they've been untouched as kim suggested, they are too big for the federal government to manage even if they were going in and doing that sort of thing and as she suggested, if you allow logging companies to come in, private owners, they would be responsible for keeping the forests in healthy shape. they are not healthy. paul: quick question, how much does the state of california spend on tree cutting? >> very little relative to how m...

Former chairman jcs mike mullen, who said we're probably closer to some sort of an encounter, military encounter with the north koreans than we have been for some time. >> because the tweets like this? >> because of statements like that. having said this, being very old, i was around in 1976 for the tree cutting incident, where north korean soldiers came into the dmz and killed two of our shoulde soldiers with axes. i was a young staff officer at the pacific command headquarters at the time. and the sense of imminence of war was more palpable then than it is today. the problem was it was more ...

For some time. >> because the tweets like this? >> because of statements like that. having said this, being very old, i was around in 1976 for the tree cutting incident, where north korean soldiers came into the dmz and killed two of our soldiers with axes. i was a young staff officer at the pacific command headquarters at the time. and the sense of imminence of war was more palpable then than it is today. the problem was it was more rhetorical than physical, which it was then. that's a concern, because if we're not careful, we'll talk ourselves into a very serious confrontation. >> i don't wa...

Tree cutting detail on the border. it could have been much worse. i think this was relatively restrained. north korea does shoot at defectors. they got him out alive. that's a good thing. with the tensions in the united states and north korea today, it's what kim jong-un is thinking right now about doing that's more provocative like having another atomic bomb test. these are the things that really -- >> well, it has been two months since they tested the missile. so holidays are often a time when we see those kinds of provocations. are you concerned about this holiday season? >> i'm not concern...