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Abortion beginning at six weeks. you already don't know, am i going to be able to be seen today, and then you get in the waiting room, and you've put together the money. you've taken the time off work. you've found child care for your kids, and you figured out this is the day i can finally do it, and then a fundamental constitutional right that has been recognized for 15 -- 50 years gets taken away by the stroke of a pen, and now suddenly you can't get the care that you could have gotten ten minutes ago. >> many of those patients simply devastated. and clearly the staff of dr. braid, and dr. b...

About whether abortions even banned right now in the state of texas or whether there is another 30, 60, maybe even longer time before texas's trigger ban takes effect. >> and time has been of the essence. i mean, when you read the article, they depict so many of the patients, whether they had long-standing appointments, or they traveled many hours to that very clinic, waiting in line outside while they may have been harassed by some parties outside only to be inside and then be told by the staff that we can't do anything for you today. not today. perhaps you're going to have to go to another s...

Adversary shun of the rule of law and also complicit in this medical backdrop that will lead to many deaths unfortunately. >> barbara, i want your thoughts on the complicity that michele references there. i also want your thoughts on the big ne today, which is planned parenthood filing a lawsuit to block the trigger ban and utah. we will see similar lawsuits in the future. how do you see them playing out now that we have the supreme court decision? >> i think the supreme court decision has not settled the issue in this country. i know justice kavanaugh wrote a concurring opinion that there, fi...

Knew that the leaked draft opinion came out several weeks ago from politico. we knew this could very much be a real possibility. why do you think there was just this like sense of denial? do you think they had been in this so long, i know one had been in this for 30 years. they couldn't imagine it ending like this. >> i think they wanted to keep going as long as physically possible. i talked to clinics in trigger ban states across much of the rest of the country that decided to stop providing early and anticipating this decision and this clinic was just determined to keep going for every momen...

This. then i took a deep breath and i went back and finish making the appointment with that patient. >> what an incredible partner. we can impact that later. this is what you need in this kind of work. i want to play a clip from when you joined us back in on the show in january. take a listen. >> we've been chipping away at it for a year. state legislators especially in states like ours, where there is only one clinic, they have wanted to win the battle to be the first state to restrict abortion completely. >> if roe does fall, as many expected will, are you confident that you can keep your cl...