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That concert, the trigger event, or was it something else? the key here is motivation. we know there was a criminal act. we know that. now we have to get into his mind and find out what motivated him to do that. were there co-conspirators? was this a statement for some other political performance? that's the professor in you. you have the thing that you did. men's rea was your mind's intent in doing it. in terms of the mens rea they are trying to do it with horrible success and they say this is terrorism. not to you. >> terrorism understands why someone was motivated to conduct app attack. it ...

Weapons into the hotel by himself. when they say that, i assume they looked at video from the hotel showing him from his vehicle and elevators to his room. to the point about premeditat n premeditation, he found a room overlooking from the windows and had tripods? >> exactly. this is well ideaated and thought out and planned out. this was not a spur of the minute event. if there was a trigger, this goes back months. i suspect we are looking at an individual who truly has rept e reptilian indifference fors his fellow human beings. >> when you talk about a trigger event, you saw the interviews w...

Myself in the group, how did no one know something like this was coming? or that something was wrong with this guy beforehand? >> kate, i kind of put this in the same context of like tim this kaczynski, ten or 15 years ago, the unabomber, where for 10 or 15 years nobody knew anything about him. limited contact with family. we've heard from some of the family members ken tech actually. i don't know how good that is. sometimes family members say things to protect the subject and other times they don't know. wi what i did when i got out here went to the 32nd floor of the hotel to do deconstructin...

Could have not known. erin? >> all right, thank you very much. now art roderick join us me along with former fbi special agent james gagly llano. why? >> what we found since the first mass shooting in the you asked was august 1st, 1966 at the university of texas clock tower shooting, what we found is there's a process that happens. somebody comes up with a grievance and targeted a particular group. and then there's a trigger event. we know the concert was basically announced last february. it looks like from the weapons that they found from the planning, the execution, looks like this plan was...

Including a democratic colleague that said he knows where rinaldi parks. no, that trigger event isn't getting covered. what is getting covered is rinaldi's promise to choke the guy in self-defense if he did. rinaldi is the crazy gun carrying bigot in an open-carry state and texas is the crazier sanctuary city. if they don't follow the law, pay some steep daily fines. if that is cowardly, how is it refusing to call law breakers what they are brave? i don't know. what i do know this is all going on for a while. remember these illegal protesting across the street from the white house? the white h...