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Trigger points of this particular shooting, you mentioned that the shooter apparently felt like he had the law on his side. that is a powerful thing especially when you consider the extended history that we have had of profiling of stopping people in wrong neighborhoods in this country. i mean, it happened to me. it happened to my dad in the '50s and to me in '80s and the '90s and now happening again and now we've had the added mix of what sounds like permissible violence in order to -- >> well, let me say something important here about the stand your ground laws. >> this standard has been use...

Bias. >> well, this is tricky prosecution, because it could be murder one, two, three, but now two levels here of the reporting here, joe, and one is that the justice department is moving on this case in what looks to be a case of a hate crime. looks to be. or sounds to be. clearly. and then you have the second issue there of the grand jury down there, so locally, and the president covered all of the bases today, because he said local, state, federal, we have to all get into action and do the right thing here. >> and to the last point, the actions speak louder than words in this particular cas...

Florida. the problem, however, going back to your initial point is we've got a law here, the stand your ground law, that is being replicated all across the country. as far as we know, that was one of the trigger points of this particular shooting. you mention the the shooter apparently felt like he had the law on his side. that's a really powerful thing, especially when you consider the extended history we've had of p profiling, of stopping people in neighborhoods in this country. it happened to my dad in the '50s, it happened to me in the '80s and '90s, and now we have a mix of what sounds li...

Who grow up exposed to these kinds of problems. >> and worse. >> and worse. and yet they don't go on to do the kinds of things that jeff did. >> in and of themselves, they're not the -- i guess we would say not the only factors. but you know, everyone's an individual, i guess, aren't they? but there may have been more important, unknown to us yet, trigger points that make jeff more unique than the usual case. >> when you think back on those times, the arguments and the possible effect it may have had on the kids, is it, is it -- it may cause you anguish? >> it makes me sick that we didn't have...

Might have been one of the trigger points. i mean, you know the old freudian castration complex might come to bear here. and i guess psychoanalysts would be -- would really have a heyday with this because you know he was concerned about losing his penis. he asked his mother if he had lost it, if it had been cut off. now -- >> something he later did do to his, or at least to some of his victims. >> that's true, yes. >> one thing that many serial killers have in common is a history of sexual abuse. was jeff sexually abused at any time? >> no, never. >> was not abused by anyone in the home? >> no...