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Administration. there was a point made yesterday by pat toomey and until you know who ordered those, how can you say? you cannot say. >> i had this theory, imagine somebody is beating up on you a million over and they say, oh, by the way, can you approve my application for something? is it beyond the realm of human nature that some irs staffer in cincinnati thinks, oh, and they want this special exemption and they think that i'm like the worst thing. >> right, none of that is beyond -- >> no. that's what i mean, it's not the realm of imagination. >> but to ben's point and we don't know what's ...

That's why it's very difficult to get anything done. that's especially true of where we are now economically in particular where everything is tight. everybody needs something and there is not a lot to go around. >> uh i am on a short enned time. i will leave it there. we have more, example counties and more on the website. go to rundown.msnbc.com. we'll take you to dante's website. we'll be right back. more with the panel but first the trivia answer. we asked which secretary of state had the shortest tenure. it was not larry eagleburger. it was elihu benjamin washburne while grant restructure...

Think cain has been able to survive it a little bit, because everything has been vague, but when you start getting specifics and details about specific people, i think that begins to -- >> and i think we will -- >> yeah. >> -- get details in the nationl media. we'll be back with all three of you, but i would be remiss not to give you your trivia answer. we asked who was the first african-american woman elected to the senate? the answer, and i'm sure 99% of you know this because you're political nerds and watch the show, illinois democrat carol moseley braun. she won that historic election 19 y...

>> you are welcome. >> this is one of the frustrations that we wanted to answer. we have been getting a lot of viewer mail here and at nbc nightly news and brian williams getting e-mails trying to volunteer to help and not put to work and getting an idea of some of the obstacles to the issue of volunteering to help with the cleanup. >> yeah. it is one of the things that's simple in concept and perhaps difficult in execution, chuck. all right. we'll check in with you a little bit. time for the trivia answer. which southern governor never earned an undergraduate degree but still got into law s...

Fan if you even have a chance -- >> steelers and don't forget about the penguins though, stanley cup champions. >> sidney crosby! even i know that. >> thanks for sharing that perspective about your white house happy hour last night. >> chuck called it that, not you. let's do our trivia answer -- which congressman carried the so-called nuclear football for presidents jimmy carter and ronald reagan? it was -- >> as a minnesota native e-mailed us, republican congressman john klein of minnesomi minneso minnesota. it is a good cocktail party little fun fact. coming up, would the u.s. have gon...