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Obama. he is the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis. okay? he's the founder! he founded isis. >> he's the founder of isis. i do. he's the most valuable player. i give him the most valuable player award. i give her too. >> he's not sympathic to them. >> he was the founder. the way he got out of iraq, that was the founding of isis. >> obama! is the founder of isis. the founder. barack obama is the founder of isis. because of his weak policies, and because he failed -- he failed! because he failed to get 'em out. because he failed to do something about it. >> jeffrey toobin, now you have t...

The week there would away troop pullout from syria and the secretary of defense seemed to respond to that by saying i have a major philosophical difference with you on this and i'm resigning. >> it's not necessarily that the troop pull youout is in theory a bad idea, but zoit do it without having a plan and without extracting some concessions from, for example, russia who are getting a massive gain from this pullout. who is leading our international strategy, is it going on be something like john bolton and we're going to be at war with iran in the next year? the mattis resignation, i think,

The job of defense secretary if the president sticks to his plan to pull out of syria. general jack keane has said that he won't take the job. senator tom cotton is mentioned as a top choice. cotton, a former army captain, served in iraq and afghanistan. hard to imagine him overseeing a pull-out from syria. he's signed a letter with other senators including some democrats opposing the pull-out. most likely mattis' deputy patrick shanahan who gave president trump cover for his space force, which the pentagon opposed, will be asked to stay on as acting defense secretary, shep. >> shepard: where ...

Or worry or plan to want to help yemen? >> they called for a halted violence, calling for everyone to discuss, but they have not succeeded. the representative from yemen and qatar in the area were on the side of the current president of yemen, and they want what they called the coup leaders ousted but they're the ones making the military progress on the ground. >> richard roth very complex situation. thank you so much. keep us posted. let's talk more about this with our security analyst bob baird. so let's talk first about yemen, troop pullout as well but just hearing from our one guest, hak...

Richard, first of all, in the simplest of terms, how did this happen? how did iraq lose fallujah? >> there is not the simplest of terms explanation, but i think after u.s. troops left, the civil war that the united states ma managed to stop for a little while has came back and the reason it came back is because of syria. the fight in syria spilled over into iraq. it reignited the old embers of the civil war which were still there and have now caught into a wildfire because american troops are no longer there and are not going back there to help calm the situation down. >> senators graham and m...