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Up. >> yeah, i think of this as the the myth of the surprise president. its that, the, idea that, that presidents turn out to be surprised. if you look at all nine justice thousands, and, i would include kennedy in this. there are no surprises on the court. that the scrutiny that goes on today is different from the scrutiny that went on even when george herbert walker bush nominated david souter in 1990. the justices are picked because of how they're going to vote. if you look at the four democrats, kagan, ginsburg, breyer came out, true for robert, true for, thomas, and kennedy. remember kenn...

Somebody else. but taking money from one person and giving it to another is what european kings did for a long time and we didn't want to do that. >> so really quickly, you've been covering donald trump on the campaign trail. how are people responding to this first moment of policy substance over style from trump? >> it's the second moment. he had the immigration plan, which also did change the dynamic a little bit, as he said. >> you call it a plan. >> it was a plan. we don't think it was a good plan. i would say this moment told me donald trump is very serious about winning the republican no...