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Point out, ruth, he went sougou his way to put distance between donald trump jr. jared curb measure and paul manafort. what did you make of that? >> well, he said one was playing with his phone, right, and one walked out rft room pretty quickly. >> right. information thatible it's the lawyer that has said that to us. the russian lawyer in the interview with -- that's not necessarily verified information, but suddenly the president is using it as his own. >> and the other is a good boy, a good boy who happens to be like the same age as the president of france who he's meeting with. >> my husban...

Attempt to amy to the base and the moderates in the party but not going anywhere. >> what do you say, ruth. >> it's not over until it's over. i never underestimate mitch mcconnell. and you know you're playing with very small margins. but that also means you can -- you need to get very small numbers. so you only need to be able to count to 50. it is not looking good. i find it incredible and not normal at all that we're talking about an amendment from senator cassidy that i don't understand thap i don't understand. i haven't seen in writing, that would really remarkably change the contours of t...

Senate, and some republican senators over there indicate they will start from scratch on health care rather than tweak the house bill. so what about the oval office celebration? ruth mark is a columnist for "the washington post." jeremy peters and clarence page. ruth, i was thinking when i watched those four smiles yesterday at the white house, this is what it's like in pyongyang, in north korea, where you have to have the same expression for kim jong-un or else you get executed. fixed grins and smirks all around. >> well, maybe like in north korea, they were simply relieved to manage to be th...

Intending to support her, at least privately. >> it's now clear to the most liberal of supporters supporting her all along that her e-mail and this e-mail debacle would have been safer if it would have been entrusted to ashley madison, okay? i mean, i make light of it, but the fact is that all the intelligence experts that we have spoken to say that everybody in the world had access to that e-mail server, except the american people. and maybe the fbi. but we don't eastbouven know if they'll have access to it. >> what are the consequences to that? we have a candidate, a secretary of state, who ...

Intending to support her, at least privately. >> it's now clear to the most liberal of supporters supporting her all along that her e-mail and this e-mail debacle would have been safer if it would have been entrusted to ashley madison, okay? i mean, i make light of it, but the fact is that all the intelligence experts that we have spoken to say that everybody in the world had access to that e-mail server, except the american people. and maybe the fbi. but we don't eastbouven know if they'll have access to it. >> what are the consequences to that? we have a candidate, a secretary of state, who ...