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Come up with anonymous whispers or sources saying these things are happening and no way to re-butte it. the president gives a statement says this didn't happen and yet he is stuck having to respond to anonymous when anonymous whippe anonymous whispers. >> the truth problem very cloorly in this country we have one in the white house and i think anyone who disputes that has an issue, whether you are defender of his or not. >> this bothers me to say, but i think we have a truth problem in the media. conservatives talking about this for a long time. now an issue hit a mainstream. there is a proble...

One of them. even then the people interviewed said i never actually met with the president. he did not have any -- go between, again. >> he was at a big rally. >> carl, does that make sense to you? >> yeah. as i said, he looks to me as someone who has been used perhaps by both the trump campaign and perhaps by the russians. >> why would the trump campaign -- >> carl, i don't agree. >> what we do know i think one thing is absolutely true that i think that you are correct, they were staffing up quickly or looking like they were staffing up quickly. what you are now seeing in addition to the whit...

Michael flynn is not the same as carter page. this is true that they have a pervasive truth problem. in the fact that they have repeatedly said things that were not true or later proved not to be true. so to them, this is a situation where you're asking people to give you the benefit of the doubt. you doesn't know n't know what'. there's a veneer. >> we need to remember what this is about from the beginning. and that is about the fact by the intelligence agencies of the united states, 16 or 17 of them, of finding that the russians interfered in the presidential campaign, in the presidential ca...

And up next, new evidence that the white house may have a truth problem. the kelly file investigates a major about-face in a story involving a member of president obama's own family. that's right after the break. don't miss this. >> the white house said in 2011, i believe, there was no record of them ever meeting. and now the boston globe is being told by the white house, and i assume you can elaborate here, in fact, they have not only met, but they lived together briefly when the president was in law school. how could you make that kind of mistake? keeping up with these two is more than a ful...

>> up next new evidence that the white house may have a truth problem. kelly files hadoes a major abou face in a story about a member of president obama's own family right after this break. don't miss this. >> the white house said in 2011 there was no record of them ever meeting now the boston globe is being told by the white house how can you make that kind of a mistake? ♪