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>> john dean is a truth teller. and whistle-blowers and truth tellers are so dangerous and threatening when they speak out. because it's not just that they are speaking truth to power, they're giving permission to other people in the group to speak out. >> after john dean testified, there was an inkling that maybe things had been recorded in the white house complex. >> the president almost from the outset began asking me a number of leading questions, which was somewhat unlike his normal conventional relationships i'd had with him, which made me think that the conversation was being taped and ...

Let's bring in our panel. let me start. they've had witnesses from trump world presenting a damning representation of trump. if you bring someone who gives a conflicting account, does that take you off your message if you're the committee, or maybe help you prove your credibility that we're going to have people come in and go clearly committee members don't think mr. ornado is a truth teller. this is stephanie murphy. >> mr. ornado did not have as clear of memories from this period of time as i would say miss hutchinson said, if that's a fair assessment. >> she's trying to be careful there. >>...

That does not describe properly how bad he is. don't forget i started at it out saying we should impeach him. by the time we got around to, us we had allowed our representation to say, oh, we're just going to deal with obstruction of justice. but didn't talk about was the election systems that had been hacked into and cooperation with putin and trump, who are basically, you know, good friends, working together. trump wanted to be just like putin, wanted to be a dictator. i'm not shocked. i'm not surprised. i know that he's guilty. trump is guilty of undermine being our democracy. >> congresswo...

Were being issued vociferously at that point. >> the time has come for me to speak out about the charges made and to provide a perspective on the issue for the american people. i had no prior knowledge of the watergate break-in. i neither took part in nor knew about any of the subsequent cover-up activities. i neither authorized nor encouraged subordinates to engage in illegal or improper campaign tactics. that was and that is the simple truth. >> even as credible as dean's testimony was, the president said not a word is true. and when it was john dean's word against the president's word, well...

Which of course were being issued at that point. >> the time has come for me to speak out about the charges made and to provide a perspective on the issue for the american people. i had no prior i neither took part in nor knew about any subsequent cover up activities. i neither authorized nor encouraged subordinates to engage in illegal or improper campaign tactics. that was and that is the simple truth. >> even as credible as dean's testimony was, the president said not a word is true. and when it was john dean's word against the president's word, well, who was going to believe john dean? >> ...