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The 2016 campaign. >> no. >> did any adviser or anyone anybody in the trump campaign have any contact with the russians who were trying to meddle in the election? >> oh, of course not. >> paul, let's go back to this question of russia and hacking. can you tell us what you know about the relationship and what the campaign knows and what donald trump believes? >> we have no relationship. >> so what's the explanation? mike, you lead off. what's the explanation for complete stonewalling here saying no, no, no, no, no, i won't give an inch? is that trump's character, his personality, that doesn't g...

Had tillerson go out, you had mattis tell the troops hold the line because things are bananas at home. tells you not everyone in his cabinet is believing it back home even republicans -- >> doesn't believe what, maria? >> they don't believe the divisiveness the president is propagating when it comes to race. >> they don't support it. >> they don't support it. >> i hope not. >> the suburbs re increasingly diverse. the suburbs are not -- >> the near suburbs especially. >> demography is -- >> the bromt liottom line is we sanitize race. and that's something that has to change in order to effective...

And firing people will be no way to get out of this particular mess for the administration as well. in fact, what you've seen at the end of this year is more and more republicans have sort of hunkered down around -- even though they're still throwing stones at robert mueller, they know they can't have those stones actually land in the area of actually pulling his investigation. >> is that what you're hearing, that they hear that's almost a firing offense for the president? >> yes, they do. a lot of republicans, a lot of the ones i've talked to, both on the staff level and at the congressional ...

With some big bully, a guy who would make a point of ruining your life. who would track you down. weinstein. everything we knew about him is he'd go around, he'd buy off people, go after them, ruin their careers, whatever. to take on that bully, that to me was the big one. that was taking on goliath. if you could take him on, who's known for retribution and for being all powerful, you don't get any more movie parts, you don't get any more jobs, and worse than that you're blacklisted basically. that thing to me really seemed to be if you can beat that big bully don't worry about the other guys....

For me it's always obstruction of justice. >> what's he hiding from? >> that's what mueller's got his finger tip back because when you start having flynn, papadopoulos and others go down, manafort starting to sing a little bit -- >> let's try something. jared kushner's one of the people been fingered to go talk to the russians. your son in law was one of the people giving the orders about what to talk to the russians about. that's bringing you in. >> and i think we've had a two-part defense. one is deny everything, even ifio vuto make concessions. the other is to muddy up the waters by attacki...