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Right in terms of the economy, in terms of foreign affairs, climate change, et cetera, et cetera, because it's not going to be that -- we all know that we've seen democrats also beat themselves. >> yeah. i mean, i think there's a lot of sensitivity after 2016 elections and how things were certainly handled there amongst a lot of activists and voters in the process. i think the beauty of the 2020 process having so many candidates who are running, quite frankly, and a lot of people have complained about it, but the dnc has had, i think, about 12 debates and you have a lot of candidates using tha...

Talking to their base and going back to their republican meetings at night, people saying, let's get the guy, and they reacted, saying, this will gin up our turnout base. not recognizing what gins up your turnout base gins up the other guy's turnout base. and that's what happened in this case. democrats defended the president, not necessarily what he did, but the way the republicans handled it. it's one thing to say, we're going to do an investigation, but that was basically the republican message at the end. if we get elected, we're going to impeach this guy. and the end result, instead of pi...

Out. >> going back and talking to their base and republican meetings at night they said let's get the guy. thinking this would gin up their turnout base. and not realizing it gins up the other base as well. and that's what happened. it's one thing to say we're going to look at this in due course, do an investigation but that was basically the republican message in the end if we get elected we'll impeach this guy and we lost a half dozen seats instead. >> joining us now is steve cur knacky who just did that interview. he's describing the internal dynamics in the republican caucus when deciding ...

So the blue dress came out, they said we're going to impeach him now. cable news was not a big a factor at this had point, but talk radio certainly fuelled it and the end result you have a rabid republican base calling for it. but it was like do you know what you're getting into here look at the facts and take a deep breath before we vote on it. >> were you saying we're going to pay for this in a month or were you saying this might work out. >> going back and talking to their base and republican meetings at night they said let's get the guy. thinking this would gin up their turnout base. and n...

American economy in all different parts. housing is back, the longevity of medicare and social security is improving, the federal budget picture is improving. >> that's an argument to do nothing. things are improving. >> no. it's an argument to continue along the moderated balance path that president obama has pursued. but it's also an understanding that these issues as important as they are are not going to deliver some kind of dramatic change to the president's ability to fulfill his other desires for the rest of his term. >> bring this back and go over the president's base. he's not running...