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Republicans being up more republicans voting in this election not properly accounted for in these polls. that's why i'm telling you, martha, don't get caught up in the horse race numbers. anyone who knows how to read those polls don't view those has as a primary indicator. romney has double-digit leads among independents in ohio. martha: romney folks are definitely feeling emboldened by those numbers that tony talks about, kirsten but you don't hear anything who doesn't have sort of a hint of caution in their voice on either side. actually i talk to plenty of democrats are are pretty confide...

It's very hard unless you are one of those microtargeted groups. you know, there is -- when i tried putting together that 2008 book, "renegade," i said to president obama, then candidate obama -- >> now available in paperback. >> -- i said we're going to do this inside story. he said what happens if there's no secret story, what happens if we just had a plan and we executed on it. and they have the plan. >> i talked to the obama folks yesterday. they tell me that they have turnout models for romney that are 2004 level. they do a very generous turnout model for him that they think, you know, ca...

This one i believe this comes down to virginia sanyo. we started out with 9 or 10 states. it's really virginia and ohio. if romney wins those two he's in the game. if he loses those two he's out of the game. >> both these campaigns are operating under different turnout models. one of them is right and one of them will find out they are wrong. this could look like an electoral land slide for one of them. megyn: thanks so much, guys. coming up. outrage is growing over the controversial decision to go forward with the new york city marathon. the city is spending millions. >> to what extent have y...

I think the advantage that team obama has, though, is it is not just the number of field offices but the amount of time that they have been there. they know who their voters are. they know exactly which voters in the states they need to turn out. that's why, you know, focus right now is really shifting to all of those turnout models. >> yeah. chip the organization has been very impressive. unions are stepping up their ground game important the president. in ohio the afl-cio will reach out to 2 million voters. that's about double what they did in 2008. you also have registered democrats outnumb...

This is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. well, it turns out it wasn't somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. even before friday's indictments of 12 russian intelligence operatives for hacking the democrats during the 2016 campaign, four u.s. intelligence agencies had already weighed in. the fbi, the cia, the dni, and the nsa all of them had concluded that russians interfered in the 2016 election and they did so with the goal of helping donald trump. in fact, you can view the russian hacking of democratic e-mails, opposition research, turnout models as th...