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Are seeking testimony from former russia advisor fiona hill saying they want her at a deposition on october 14th. they want her to turnover documents dating back to january of 2017, dating back to virtually inaugurtion day and so she's a long-time policy expert. she's a critic of vladimir putin. she's someone who is known not to agree with president trump on russia. what do you think she might be able to add to the committee's understanding? >> she could add a tremendous amount, lawrence. everybody who works in the national security committee wonders why she was working there in the first plac...

Don't think any court would sustain. i think the white house knows that. this is not executive privilege. this is executive stonewalling. >> back with me is abigail tracy and kevin cerilli. how big a fish is hope hicks? how damaging is her testimony? she was cited in the mueller report 73 times without apparent impact. what might say she differently about don junior and the testimony there? >> i high hope hicks is a big get tofor the committee. she is a big figure in the trump administration. she was a key witness to robert mueller. i think one important thing to note is hope hicks is cooperat...

>> yeah, and if he can convince people that all those people that gathered there were clearing him on and for him, he will do that. he will use to his advantage. he feels like -- this is a guy who cares about nothing else but optics. >> amy and matt will stay with us. and we're expecting to hear from nancy pelosi who may have a few things to say about the latest act of defiance by the trump white house. and the growing calls for impeachment from democrats. at the center of that defiance, the former trump adviser hope hicks whose lawyers fired off a letter to jerry nadler saying hicks will defy...

The justice department. the only things we held back were materials that talked about how we were going to respond to congress. not with regard to substance. all of those were released by attorney general sessions and there was nothing in there of any significance that we were holding back. we were fighting for a principle. the question of making sure that deliberations could occur in the executive branch out of the sight of the legislative branch but the total way in which barr and other members of the trump administration refused to turnover documents and refused to testify, it is inconsiste...

>> i was held in contempt. we turned over 7,000 documents. >> fast and furious i testified 10 times before the senate and the house talking about fast and furious and we made available all the witnesses that congress wanted to hear from from within the justice department. the only things we held back were materials that talked about how we were going to respond to congress. not with regard to substance. all of those were released by attorney general sessions and there was nothing in there of any significance that we were holding back. we were fighting for a principle. the question of making su...