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Disease, rather than reach out and try to help, it is further division in this country. you don't have to know how people vote to know they have their own separate idea about being vaccinated or not. they are intelligent. >> ben: this is one of the biggest and sickest political moves i've seen in my lifetime. >> harris: it's cruel. >> ben: democratic party and white house understand they need a wedge issue to divide the country on purpose. let me remind don lemon, we're not anti-vax conservatives, we came up with the vaccine, we did, operation warp speed. donald trump is the one that moved us ...

Howard: fascinating conversation. dana perino, thanks for joining us. >> thank, howie. howard: that's it for us. i'm howard kurtz, i hope you'll subscribe to my podcast at apple i tubes, google play or fox news podcast.com. now, just a personal note, i was here late the other night covering the democratic debate going on the air, but i had another tv going, and it had the washington nationals game. and i was watching at the nats beat the cardinals to get into the world series, and i gotta say, at times the game packed a lot more punch than the three-hour debate. i kept turning off the sound. d...

Howard: fascinating conversation. dana perino, thanks for joining us. >> thank, howie. howard: that's it for us. i'm howard kurtz, i hope you'll subscribe to my podcast at apple i tubes, google play or fox news podcast.com. now, just a personal note, i was here late the other night covering the democratic debate going on the air, but i had another tv going, and it had the washington nationals game. and i was watching at the nats beat the cardinals to get into the world series, and i gotta say, at times the game packed a lot more punch than the three-hour debate. i kept turning off the sound. d...

Be announced, it's early in the morning. the whole city is awake, tuned into their tv or their radio to hear who's nominated. >> i thought, how am going to sleep until 5:35 tomorrow morning when the announcements are made? i went out with some friend, went to a sushi bar and we drank a lot of saki. i thought this will help me sleep. when i went home, i was in bed by midnight. i woke up at 12:52, 1:37, 2:19, 3:18, 4:02 -- 4:30, i got up. this is ridiculous. i'm not sleeping. >> turned on the tv, i was listening and they said my name three times. george clooney. >> george clooney. >> george cloo...

Morning. the whole city is awake, tuned into their tv or their radio to hear who's nominated. >> i thought, how am going to sleep until 5:35 tomorrow morning when the announcements are made? i went out with some friend, went to a sushi bar and we drank a lot of saki. i thought this will help me sleep. when i went home, i was in bed by midnight. i woke up 12:52, 1:37 -- 4:30 i got up. this is ridiculous. i'm not sleeping. >> turned on the tv, i was listening and they said my name three times. george clooney. >> george clooney. >> george clooney. >> i just sat there in front of the tv going i ca...