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And that is the unnerving consequence of the whole yfd a war on terror or a war against a non-state actor that could be anywhere in the world and that therefore designates that war as taking place everywhere. the most frequent outside a war zone place where our government carries out these kinds of attacks is of course in pakistan. in 2010 we saw what the obama administration was going to be like on this score. there was a u.s. drone strike in pakistan roughly every three days in 2010. 9 new america foundation tracks these things and their record shows it was an unprecedented spike in terms of...

Or put thousands of american troops on the ground to go get them by some standard rules of warfare that some might think are better to prosecute a war -- >> i don't -- >> and i don't think that's the best way to necessarily prosecute this war. >> that's not what i'm arguing, though. and i don't think that's what this debate is about. i think that we kill people in wartime using all sorts of means that americans would find distasteful when viewing them from the comfort of our living rooms, right? >> absolutely. >> killing people in wartime is something you do by all sorts of horrible means. dro...

Deniable, orwellian means of raining death from the sky all over the world even in places where we're not technically at war and never admitting to it. does president obama appointing john brennan to run the cia mean that he does care about that critique from the left? or is it the opposite? by promoting the architect of the drone program we've got now is this a punch the hippie moment? stha sign he's happy for drone warfare to be his legacy and it's becoming entrenched, it's being promoted, it's not going to change? which is it? joining us now is bill burton. he's former white house deputy se...

Which is killing people using planes that don't have pilots, using unmanned flying robots in far-away countries, what is often portrayed as novel and especially morally troubling about that means of killing people is that there isn't a person inside the plane. there isn't a person inside the plane that has the missiles on it. that the person piloting the aircraft and pulling the trigger to fire the missile used in that attack is actually thousands of miles away in virginia, say, or nevada rather than him or herself actually being at the battlefield. but the idea that the ethically relevant thi...

To be what bothers john brennan. he keeps saying it should be done by the military instead. the question is whether or not he is going to be in more of a position to change that if he runs cia or less. >> well, he's certainly going to be in a position that's a lot more accountable to congress, and he'll be in a place where whenever the heads of the committees on intelligence call him down he can certainly answer questions about what he's doing, how he's doing it, how this war is being prosecuted. but when you have known members of al qaeda and their leadership and you're going after them, it m...