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Ronald reagan, it took them over two years, multiple hearings all around the nation, 30 hearings in the ways and means committee, more and more, and they had the experts in. what does it mean if you reduce the tax rate? what does it mean if you take this or that deduction make it bigger or smaller. what is the effect of it. none of that. absolutely none of that has taken place. it's all done very secretly. they're trying to ram it through before the american public has any idea what's going on. they tried that with the affordable care act but even so it took them six months and when the americ...

Proposition and there's lots of house districts in the suburbs of pennsylvania and -- philadelphia, rather, and in suburban areas where i don't know that you can do the two-step, run with trump in the primary and then run against him, you wind up like ed gillespie. telling kim jong-un not to try us. jeff zeleny is traveling with the president. what is the latest from there, jeff? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. donald trump arrived a few hours ago, and he's no doubt on the most cimportant stop. he's coming face-to-face to talk about the economic issues. of course, it's the matter of

Do this and you get to stay. i don't get the sense that rex tillerson needs this job so badly he would do something extraordinary to be able to stay in the job. i don't get that sense from him. >> if he were to be out now, it would be another unprecedented removal. we have never seen anything like this, except for alexander hague. the iran deal. the president hates the deal. he wants to decertify. what would that mean? >> what this is, it's a trump two-step, chris. all he's doing -- there's two certification channels. one is through the national atomic association, and they are doing the ass...

It is. but i blame it on the republicans in the sense they went seven years, right, and they did not have a plan. if there was an election fraud, that was it. you have to have a plan. and there's nobody communicating what a plan is. this is politically untenable. >> those states you talked about, those were states that chose not to -- there are states, i'm on a federal exchange because my state refused to set up a state exchange. this is what obamacare was supposed to work by states actually doing something. so this idea now, we're just going to leave it to the states to do and now they're som...

Business practices. so much so that he is willing to basically trash one of his closest allies and take on the entire establishment in washington because he thinks that might be a better course for him than allowing the mueller probe to continue. that's a very, very telling indicator. >> john, max's point couldn't be more important. everything that the president does in this arena is the behavior of someone who is completely guilty. if you're looking for logic to it, it is logical that he gets rid of comey. it's logical that he tries to fire the special prosecutor if he's guilty. >> logical th...