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Having failed to do that he was offering materiel support in other ways back here in the united states, including discussions of other potential plots and one of which included musing about the idea of doing a nice-style type attack in times square with a truck so this was an individual who was -- had already committed a federal crime but was becoming of increasing concern to us. >> so you think you avoided a crisis? >> i don't know that. but, don, i would say this, if you look at the boston marathon bombing case, this was a personal that came on the radar, federal investigators, the joint ter...

What do you think? >> well, two different strategies by two different groups. remember, they have the same goals and desires and political ames and they were at one time the same group. the isis threat is real here and i think you hear from fbi agents that they're worried about it because we know we had so many open cases by the fbi in every major field office in america for isis sympathizers. that is always a risk. that home grown radicalization nudged on by isis to do a very low technical type attack in the united states. you've seen the level of arrests. on the other hand, al qaeda loves th...

It seems effective. what too you make of it? >> it's effective when someone is presenting themselves for observation. this guy clearly, by the fact he was using public media, social media, to tell people what he was doing apparently his family recognized there were problems after he was discharged and put into a mental health facility. this guy was easy. this is the kind of guy that the fbi should easily pick up. what we have to really worry about now is that the jihadis who have studied this, who are now recognizing they have to camouflage themselves in our clothes, in our imagery, so they ca...

Pamela brown, thank you very much. cyber security expert jim lewis for technologies program. thank you for being with us. i want to ask about the breaking news cnn learned, prepared to name as a sony hacker. a, does it surprise you and how savvy are they? >> it's not a big surprise. the north koreans are the one who stood most to benefit and they've been investing in these kind of cyber capabilities for about 20 years. it's been a concern for their leadership. they've had a few thousand people who can do it and four or five big attacks against south korea. they've done something against the u....

I want to ask about the breaking news cnn learned, prepared to name as a sony hacker. a, does it surprise you and how savvy are they? >> it's not a big surprise. the north koreans are the one who stood most to benefit and they've been investing in these kind of cyber capabilities for about 20 years. it's been a concern for their leadership. they've had a few thousand people who can do it and four or five big attacks against south korea. they've done something against the u.s. it's always been the case that this is what they wanted to do. >> these hackers threatening a 9/11 type attack if the m...