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Great thing. >> all right, brad it's pretty clear that mike huckabee wants to connect hillary clinton to barack obama. how does that play in iowa? >> well look. barack obama won iowa twice. he won iowa in the primary in 2008. look, i think mike huckabee's got to figure out what matthew just said and that's how to distinguish himself in the primary. you have 20 republican candidates who are spending almost their entire time bashing hillary clinton. so that's not going to distinguish him. i think what will distinguish him is some of the comments the type of comments that you played leading into ...

Campaign finance laws being broken, conspiracy and false statements being made. so, karen, is it possible that he would be just convicted for lying and it looks like there might be a good case there and for conspiring with fred baron to somehow keep rielle hunter out of the political realm so people wouldn't know about it and he could continue with his campaign and with the image of being a good family man in order to win votes? >> i think that's pretty obvious that large part of the motivation here was his campaign. and has projected himself as a family values, family first type candidate. i ...

Campaign finance laws being broken, conspiracy and false statements being made. so, karen, is it possible that he would be just convicted for lying and it looks like there might be a good case there and for conspiring with fred baron to somehow keep rielle hunter out of the political realm so people wouldn't know about it and he could continue with his campaign and with the image of being a good family man in order to win votes? >> i think that's pretty obvious that large part of the motivation here was his campaign. and has projected himself as a family values, family first type candidate. i ...