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Doesn't have any talent. he just doesn't have that political talent, and i think he's going to vanish on the stage. most people don't know him before the debate. they won't know him after the debate either. i do think that range ofm swamy unique. much of what he says is nonsensical. when you watch his interviews, he seems to have not much depth. but i do think people are interested in whether or not he is a herman cain type figure or a andrew yang type figure. at the end of the day -- i think alyssa may agree with me on this -- one of the most talented people on the stage is going to be nikki ...

Stage. most people don't know him before the debate. they won't know him after the debate either. i do think ramaswamy is unique. i'm not sure who his voters are. i think a lot of people are interested in what he has to say. much of what he says is nonsensical. when you watch his interviews, he seems to have not much depth. but i do think people are interested in whether or not he is a herman cain type figure or an andrew yang type figure. at the end of the day -- i think alyssa may agree with me on this -- one of the most talented people on the stage, whether or not you like her or not, is go...

So -- and then donald trump gained steam and took over. the one thing that makes i think these years different than 2024 is the political movement that donald trump has created. you can't deny he's a generational type figure with a draw from the base that those competing with him will have a hard time dealing with. >> not on these polls, but declared running for president. he had this to say about polling at this juncture. >> i'm about where donald trump was in june of 2015. we're already making progress here in states like new hampshire. started at zero, already have surged in the polls alrea...

>> it seems like media liberals kind of like nikki haley for her character self, the governor when she took out the flag after a racially -based massacre there. for media conservatism, i think the consensus that she cannot sell yourself as an alternative to trump because he of the real thing that is running. >> you talk about the media reaction to nikki haley. it is based on what conservative republican strategist told the media. they do not see a real lane for her. she seems to be ambivalent and ambiguous about how she seems to want to handle donald trump. if the republican party was in a dif...

This case something is going wrong, not how can we fix it? >> eva, the path, mccarthy isn't going to have an easy path right now. these new defections being announced from republicans, so what does that say to you? how is he going to deal with this? >> wolf, it does suggest it will be a difficult couple weeks for kevin mccarthy. it is easy for republicans, house republicans to talk tough now. i think let's see how they actually vote. this is one of their first tasks after retaking the majority. choosing a house speaker. and when it's all said and done, they don't want to come off looking dysfu...