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Going to put in the national debt. there is a real concern here and this justifiable to be sure. >> jon: the scream of the conversation, the other side of the argument, a columnist. kristin, republicans control the senate, control the house, control the white house, and president trump has said he is solidly behind this legislation. why are they having so much trouble pushing across the finish line? >> i think donald trump has always been a pretty pragmatic, rather than ideological type person. he wants to get a deal done. he wants to take what he can that people like about the existing law, c...

Set off or would have caused to set off any alarm bells whatsoever. >> chapman apparently was well liked by most people he knew. the most common description was open, friendly, a hard worker with a ready smile. >> i couldn't believe it. just didn't seem like the type person. >> very peaceful. >> i couldn't have asked for anything better. >> most of those can't believe he's the same person charged with killing john lennon. >> everybody that we interviewed, and there were a lot, every one said he's a nice person. not capable of doing something like this. >> it was a tragic conclusion to an extra...

>> nothing from his background set off or would have caused to set off any alarm bells whatsoever. >> chapman apparently was well liked by most people he knew. the most common description was open, friendly, a hard worker with a smile. >> never said anything bad about him. >> i couldn't believe it. just didn't seem like the type person. >> normal, really. >> i think he was just fine. >> i couldn't have asked for anything more. >> most of those can't believe he's the same person charged withkying john lennon. >> everybody that we interviewed, and there were a lot, every one said he's a nice per...

>> killer was identified as mark david chapman, a 25-year-old fan and drifter from hawaii. >> nothing from his background set off or would have caused to set off any alarm bells whatsoever. >> chapman apparently was well liked by most people he knew. the most common description was open, friendly, a hard worker with a smile. >> never said anything bad about him. >> i couldn't believe it. just didn't seem like the type person. >> normal, really. >> i think he was just fine. >> i couldn't have asked for anything more. >> most of those can't believe he's the same person charged withkying john len...

>> the killer was identified as mark david chapman, 25-year-old fan and drifter from hawaii. >> nothing from his background set off or would have caused to set off any alarm bells whatsoever. >> chapman apparently was well liked by most of the people he knew. the most common description was open, friendly, a hard worker with a ready smile. >> i don't think i've ever seen anybody say anything bad about him. >> i couldn't believe it. just didn't seem like the type person. >> normal, regular, everybody here liked him. >> very peaceful. >> he was just a fine young -- >> couldn't have asked for any...