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And a grand jury in d.c. plus lots of white house staffers lawyering up. there's no way to know yet how all this ends, but we can try to measure this presidential crisis against the ones that came before it. joining us now for some much needed perspective is msnbc political presidential historian, michael beschloss. always great to talk to you, michael. >> same here, joy. thank you. >> i'm giddy about the telegrams. such a great way to communicate. >> we'll explain type writers next time. >> and rotary phones. we'll explain to the kids. so it was interesting to see that the public, which didn'...

And a grand jury in d.c. plus lots of white house staffers lawyering up. there's no way to know yet how all this ends, but we can try to measure this presidential crisis against the ones that came before it. joining us now for some much needed perspective is msnbc political presidential historian, michael beschloss. always great to talk to you, michael. >> same here, joy. thank you. >> i'm giddy about the telegrams. i'm going to try to get past that. such a great way to communicate. >> we'll explain type writers next time. >> and rotary phones. we'll explain to the kids. so it was interesting ...

It and carried it out of the nsa office by hand. and then there was another clue, and this is where the story gets a little bit crazy, most color printers, maybe even all of this, i don't know, they apparently leave behind when they print, when they print out a piece of paper from a computer, right, when they print, they leave behind a finger print on every sheet that they print out. you know how an old school detective stories they do forensic analysis of individual type writers who figure out which typewriter typed out the ransom note. that is for computer printers too. and that is may have ...

Digital voice recording, e-mail, social media. we can true tell them in real time. when they say something we can be googling what they are saying. we have access to all known thought one click away. ability to surround source in a way that they only dreamed of. >> the internet is a tool just like a type writer is a tool, telephone is a tool. at the end of the day journalism requires incredibly dogged persistence on the part of journalists who are seeking the truth. >> we worked over here. >> the noise of type writers and smoke of people who smoke. >> 38 years ago. >> why did things get -- >> ...

Bloody mess. nixon was a wounded president. all the president's men was a very violent movie. it was violent in a different sense. you didn't see anybody shot or blown up or poisoned. but people were out to kill each other. >> get out your notebook. >> the weapons were telephones, type writers and pens. >> your lives are in danger. >> so as a result we would accent wait the volume in all of those instruments. >> i love the scene when redford playing the part of bob woodward sees carl reworking his story. >> what are you doing with it?