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A gateway drug. >> all of this is creating pot culture. i'm not as nervous about the drug as i am about the obsession of the pot culture. what happens with young people is they don't learn how to cope when they start smoking pot -- >> you're a young person. >> i'm way too tight bay, i never relax is the thing. when people don't learn to cope smoke all the time. >> you and i are the same way, type a. >> let me go to todd. you come at this from a moral perspective, do you see this as part of america in decline? >> i think absolutely that's the case. what we have here is the case of money over mo...

Conversation? do you think it's the beginning, a gateway drug? >> all of this is creating pot culture. i'm not as nervous about the drug as i am about the obsession of the pot culture. what happens with young people is they don't learn how to cope when they start smoking pot -- >> you're a young person. >> to relax. i'm way too tight bay. i never relax is the thing. when people don't learn to cope, then they become adults who smoke all the time. >> you and i are the same way, type a. let me go to todd. you come at this from a moral perspective. you write a lot about moral issues. do you see th...

Author of "the dudes guide to manhood: finding true manliness in the world full of counterfeits." he is also pastor of the journey church in st. louis. darrin, first off, what do you know about manliness that we have to know? >> basically that it's not a personality thing but it's more of a character thing. and i think that in our culture, a lot of times we default to a man as a type-a. he's an aggressive guy and he's tough but he's not really tender. so my argument is that a real man can be tough and tender. >> you talk about shaping steps. throughout the book and the chapters you have tips a...

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Really loved spending time with one another. >> reporter: tom was the laid back easy going time. dar an elementary schoolteacher was more type a. she didn't hide what she was thinking. >> she had opinions. she would let those be known. it's one of the reasons i loved her. i still love her today. >> reporter: still, when dar's sisters learned that dar and tom intended to marry, they were left scratching their heads. >> my famous saying was, there's got to be something wrong with tom for him to stay with dar. >> reporter: you couldn't do it? >> no. >> reporter: you couldn't be around somebody wh...