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As you said, vice president biden who is very much the front runner this base taking a little bit more of a nuanced turn. but did he come out yesterday and say he would want to renew the assault weapons ban which existed in the '90s and he wanted to do a buyback program, which is pretty out there for him. >> back up is, beth, guns, mine, you know, obviously we're talking about it now because of what happened over the weekend. but is it the kind of issue that can galvanize voters in a presidential race? >> it can. it can galvanize certain voters very much so. certainly sa ber ban voters and par...

The moment to play it safe. it is actually the moment to go big. >> that's going to be audacious policy. >> exactly. >> the people that voted for donald trump in 2016 tossed a coin and said we never recovered financially from 2008. that's why you saw so many white women vote for him. what happened in 2018, they said, wait a second, we need our health care and family separation is not okay. so you saw a whole bunch of sub ber ban white women come back. the economy, yes, may be in recovery, but i'm still not okay. how are you going to have these conversations with the american people? >> who wal...