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Homeland behind them. the russians who are coming at them understand that this is an invasion of another country however you want to put a variety of rhetoric around be that. that gives real moral high ground and inspiration to those ukrainians who shouldn't underestimate that. they will put up a long and tenacious fight. >> let me ask you about the logistics to get the support ukraine needs, military support. the united states has made that commitment, the e.u. is making a commitment as well. given that russians control the air space over ukraine, how much does that complicate things? just a ...

The only way putin can save himself from his own fiasco is to bait the west into attack. nothing would help him more, at home or abroad, than if he the united states or any other nato country were to enter direct hostilities with russian forces. putin with the news the conflict to rally his people and threatened conventional and nuclear attacks against nato. he would become a hero at home and ukraine would be forgotten. joining us now is tom nichols, professor at the u.s. naval war college and a contributing writer at the atlantic. tom, your piece is a emotional piece. which i think grasp the ...

Military might that ukraine needs, but knowing that we cannot engage using our military might directly with russia because of the nuclear threat. this is something that we've lived through in the cold war repeatedly. but it is now feeling new to a new generation who have never lived through it before. >> yeah, i think for a long time, lawrence, we assumed that the united states has almost unlimited power and that when terrible things happen and we don't act it's because we haven't acted by choice. that we've chosen some conflicts to get into, we've chosen other conflicts to stay out of.

Bring this to a diplomatic end as quickly as possible. i think in the first instance, what ukraine needs is de-escalation. it needs russian forces out of ukraine. it needs to have its basic freedom and independence returned. but i leave it to ukrainian partners to work on advancing the diplomacy, if that's -- if they believe that can be productive. we will look at whatever we can do to support that. and if there are issues that wind up being negotiated that require, in some fashion, our participation, of course, we will look at that and see where we can be helpful. we want to be able, in the f...

Sentiments we have heard expressed for trying to bring this to a diplomatic end. i think in the first instance what ukraine needs is deescalation, the forces out of ukraine, basic freedom and independence returned. but i leave it to ukrainian partners to work on advancing the diplomacy, if they believe that can be productive. we will do whatever we can to support that. and if there are issues that wind up being negotiated that require in some fashion our participation, we will look at that and see where we can be helpful. we want to be helpful in the first instance to do what we are doing to s...