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History, we can't start asking about the motives of president. we have to ask whether his act was justified under article 2 of the constiution. same thing with senators. you can't question senators or congressman. you can't question the motive of judges. we have immunity for all three branchs of the government. not surprising we have it for the president as well. >> quickly, jeffrey, you have the last word. >> richard nixon was about to be impeached and he resigned. he had the power to do both. to tell the fbi and to tell the cia what to do. he was forced out of office because he did it corrup...

Under-lings to lie to the fbi. nobody says the president can't be charged with obstruction of justice. can he be charged for simply firing or pardoning people. i think the answer to that is no. >> why sarah sanders would come out and say somethi that is not true. either they wouldn't know it is untrue. or they knew and they lied. >> i think the former is much more likely than the later. i don't believe that jay sekulow just lied repeatedly on television because he felt like it. i think and alan knows this as a defense attorney. and clients lie to their lawyers all the time. it is embarrassing ...

Conspiracy with a found powerei, in that case, great britain in some land in louisiana. go figure. >> so, susan the president has battling the legalship in his own department and the justice department. many are referring to rod and mueller as his under-lings. what is the reality and how will this play out? >> rod works for the executive branch and the president is ahead of the executive branch. it's a sense of sort of the normal protectives, independent law enforcement and department of justice. that inspires a lot of push back over a year and a half presidency. the president hasn't been able...

Because i'm the president of the united states, i'm not supposed to be involved with the justice department. i'm not supposed to be involved with the fbi. i'm not supposed to be doing the kind of things that i would love to be doing, and i'm very frustrated by -- >> he said that he's frustrated that he can't interfere more with the justice department and the fbi. i mean -- >> there's a balanced way to present it, right. >> well, that's what he said. his friends are the heads of turkey and russia and he has the ambition every despot has which is to interfere with prosecutions, to pick ut people...

Holder operation was responsible fast and furious screw up but not holder himself. it was all his under lings who blew it your reaction to that? >> well, in terms of governance, it's a big deal and the house should go after it in terms of the presidential election long it will have any impact. the issues are too big. >> bill: dubs runs for president. check it out. bernie goldberg and dennis miller both warming up in the bullpen. we'll see who has got more heat moments away. ely. >>. >>fqv8f